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#1 2006-05-19 00:33:11

Medium is Pitting

Yes, it's the pits, even craters. My encaustic medium is funky. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. It all started when I began to use the TS400 with propane tank. I think I was getting the wax too hot? I was imagining that the propane was "spitting" onto the medium, and causing these pits. Since then, it happens on lots of different substrates, birch panel, Rodney's gorgeous panels, birch ply. The instant I brush down my medium, it is full of pits, craters, holes. It takes me about 8-10 layers to calm down these pocky marks. And sometimes I can't get them out at all. I thought  maybe  I was making the medium wrong? Then I tried the R and F medium, and the same thing happened.  I got the same results. I'm wondering, could my pans (electric woks with teflon, or pancake griddles with teflon) be contaminating the medium? It's the worst with the Propane and the TS4000 (trigger start), better with the heat gun, and the best with the little creme brule torch. I'm at my wits ends. Does anybody have an answer to this crazy problem? My surfaces are not very beautiful, and I'm pretty crushed about it.

It's the pits for me in Santa Cruz
Daniella


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#2 2006-05-19 17:33:15

laura
R&F Staff

Re: Medium is Pitting

Hi Daniella,

It's hard to say exactly what the problem is without seeing your set-up and results, but I have a hunch that there may be more than one factor contributing to your frustration.  My appologies in advance if my advise is too elementary for you, but let's begin with the most obvious and simple-to-solve, and then take it from there.

The first thing that I would look at is your fusing technique, because it sounds like the wax is getting too hot.  It is very difficult to control temperature when using a torch, so it's best to use the flame like a paintbrush - always keep the tip moving, gently licking the surface.  Do not let the flame rest in one spot, even for a second.  If you need to fuse further, then just revisit those areas until they are as smooth as you need them to be.  Think of it like this: if you were ironing a shirt that was really wrinkled, you wouldn't rest the iron in one spot until all the wrinkles dissappeared.  Instead you would move the heat around, gently working the wrinkles out without burning the fabric. 

Another factor that might be contributing to your problem is your brush.  Many painters new to encaustic don't realize how much of a difference the quality of your brush can make.  And of course, always keep the bristles warm and pliant. 

Let me know if we need to hash this out a bit more (I'm rushed right now - the telephone keeps ringing!)

Laura


Laura Moriarty
Director of Exhibitions & Workshops
R&F Handmade Paints
laura@rfpaints.com
 

#3 2006-05-20 12:37:14

Re: Medium is Pitting

Hi, Daniella,

My experience agrees with Laura, that too-rapid heating enhances pitting. So I'll reveal my dark secret..... I am crazy about my Makita variable-heat, two-speed fan, heat gun.  It's pricey  (my honey loves me and gifted it to me !!) but the amount of control is excellent. To spread a quick primer coat, I'll use a higher heat and  higher fan speed, to fuse delicate areas I'll turn both way down and take my time....but my everyday setting is "low fan speed and  #2 heat".

Great tools do make a difference, and this does give me a smooth surface when I want one.....although often I am choosing to build up those luscious textures.

Have fun, Deanna

 

#4 2006-05-20 23:00:44

Ed Angell
Member

Re: Medium is Pitting

Hi D,
I would say it's probably overheating the wax and driving air out of the substrate, I've had this happen also.

Try this.  take a panel, using the heating system that seems to be giving you a problem, coat a portion of the panel with medium and fuse.  Using the same medium, coat another section of the panel and fuse with an iron that is no hotter than 225 degrees F.  If the section that is fused with the iron doesn't pit you'll know it's over heating.

Let us know what happens.

Ed Angell


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#5 2006-05-21 15:42:22

Hylla Evans
Member

Re: Medium is Pitting

Hi Daniella,
I agree that it's over heating.  The torch is so hot and strong that you need more distance from the surface when you fuse, and it takes less time than the heat gun.  Try holding the TS4000 a good 10-12" from the paint surface so it's a slower fuse.  Also, let the surface cool to the touch between fusings so you don't disturb the underneath layers.
Your paintings look perfect to me!
Hylla


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#6 2006-05-22 10:58:11

Re: Medium is Pitting

Thanks to all for your comments! I experimented over the past few days, with fusing at lower temperatures, with my various "guns" and torches. I also experimented with what temperature I was painting on my medium. Mama Mia, I put a thermometer in my medium bath, which I have in an electric wok and it was way up there at 263 degrees! I tried painting it on  at lower and lower temps, till I got it down to 180, and the pits were less and less as the temp dropped. I guess I need to be more like Rodney, in the Zen mode, then be in such a hurry with my enthusiasm and excitement!

When you use the heat gun with the digital read out, what temp setting do you suggest for fusing? I am so happy to say that my surfaces are restored. Phew. Thanks again so much.


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#7 2006-05-22 17:20:19

Eileen
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Re: Medium is Pitting

Dahlink, We know you are so hot!! 263 oy vay, you could crisp up like a crater in Hawaii. So enthusiastic! Glad the cooling effect is working, whewww..
Butch Wax


Eileen P. Goldenberg

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#8 2012-02-29 18:08:23

slk
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Re: Medium is Pitting

i use the lower fan setting and the dial set at 2 on my makita dual speed heat gun. i originally bought it because the small tip let me direct the heat flow more specifically to small areas.

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#9 2012-03-01 11:40:01

Re: Medium is Pitting

I see that this is an old thread but I have some ideas to offer. One common cause of pitting (or sometimes referred to as bubbles) in the wax is released water vapor from over heating the wood panel. Allowing the wax (and the wood panel) to cool after building up several layer usually alleviates this.
The other problem I am aware of that is not often mentioned is that all fusing devices (except electric irons) have metal tubes that direct the heat, whether it is a heat gun or a torch. The metal in the tube will corrode due to the heat, and this occurs faster with prolonged fusing or very high heat settings. eventually miniscule bits of metal are flung off onto the wax surface and due to their heat retaining properties they will sink into the wax causing a pit. More fusing just heats them up and the pit enlarges. These pits appear different than the vapor pits from the substrate, more like craters. If you are able to look very closely or with magnification, you sometimes can see a tiny black fleck at the center of the pit. Picking this off will allow the pit to melt over.
I now have a torch reserved for delicate and final fusing that I won't use for prolonged fusing so it is less likely to do this, and have even retired torches where this is a problem.


Rodney Thompson

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#10 2012-03-04 20:04:49

Lin
Member

Re: Medium is Pitting

That is interesting Rodney as I just had 3 crater like small pits within an inch area that were different from any of the other type of holes made by overheating.  I plugged them with a color from an electric pen but now I wish I could see underneath.  I never use my heat gun on high heat but maybe over time the metal is corroding as you suggest.

The time I had the most bubble holes was because I had a new heated palette and it  heated the medium too high. Even carrying it by hake to the substrate mustn't have cooled it much as hundreds of holes followed each stroke. I realized the temperature was (accidentally)set at 250F.

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#11 2012-03-09 15:38:28

Lin
Member

Re: Medium is Pitting

You are right Rodney, there is a black speck in the middle of the crater...! How awful.  I don't think my heat gun is more than 2 or 3 years old, never used on high.But probably have used it in prolonged fuzing. It just suddenly started happening. I got it a local hardware, a Canadian brand.  I will now have to buy a new gun.  There are ones that start at 140F and go up by 10 degree settings.  This maybe will do the trick, otherwise it is back to the heat lamp!

 

#12 2012-03-09 18:42:02

Re: Medium is Pitting

It is too bad that heat guns don't come with replaceable metal heat tubes, but of course they weren't made for fusing fine encaustic art and so in all typical uses miniscule metal fragments are inconsequential. It is usually the final layers of a piece that demand perfect surfaces, so I suggest reserving your best (newest) heat gun or torch for those final fusings and minimize the level and duration of heating.

Last edited by Rodney Thompson (2012-03-12 10:07:35)


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#13 2012-03-12 09:29:57

laura
R&F Staff

Re: Medium is Pitting

Very interesting...


Laura Moriarty
Director of Exhibitions & Workshops
R&F Handmade Paints
laura@rfpaints.com
 

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